Monday, October 19, 2009

Rape in the Bible

Again EB starts off an article with the claim that the Bible condones raping women. The writer presumes to think for its readers, entering in opinions about just how bad of a crime rape really is. It says "How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me." Now, after butchering the English language, it again attacks the Bible using its own opinions, that the Bible condones rape, without looking at the actual text. Again it fails to realize that the Bible frequently tells stories of the Israelites' wrongful acts, but that by no means shows that the Bible is condoning what they are doing. Let's take at look at their so-called "examples":

1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-Gilead (Judges 21. 10-24): First off I would like to ask a simple question: Where was the rape? It never says it outright in the verse, and therefore requires some very large assumptions from EvilBible in order to make this work for them, which they do without a thought. EB uses this syllogism: "The virgin's relatives were killed. The men who killed them took the virgins in. They got married, so it must have been equivalent to rape (notice EB also assumes the marriage was forced)" Syllogisms do not contain perfect logic, for example "fish can swim. I can swim. I must be a fish." Therefore, there is no reason to believe that this actually contained rape, let alone repeatedly. There were even regulations for how to deal with said regulation. Give them a peace offer (Deut 20.10-14). This verse even goes on to show how war captives were to be treated, as follows:
  1. Provide them with housing (taking them in)
  2. Allowing them 1 month to mourn.
  3. Then allow marriage
  4. If they divorce, no mistreatment.

Where's the rape? You should know by now.

2) Murder, rape, and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31.7-18): Almost the same thing as above. Again, they say "Clearly Moses approves of rape of virgins". Apparently EB sees the word virgin and immediately thinks rape. Rape, or even sex, is never mentioned in the entire verse. The process above still applies, as well.

3) More murder, rape, and pillage (Deuteronomy 20.10-14): Let's make a little checklist, shall we?

  • Murder: This is war, and peace was rejected, God even commanded to offer peace.

  • Rape: Still only says as much as the above two, rape's been inserted by EB.

  • Slavery: The word that here was translated as forced slavery can also be translated to simply mean work, which here could easily be a form of indentured servitude. Also, I already talked about how slavery in the Bible's time, not the same as America's early history: http://debunkedevil.blogspot.com/2009/10/slavery-in-bible.html

4) Laws of rape (Deut 22.28-29): Here Mariano was a great resource by providing the etymology of the verse. The word used here, translated as rape, is the Hebrew word shakab, meaning lying down. Taphas is the Hebrew word for catching, handling, taking hold, and isn't used. If you look at most other translations it merely says "a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he lays hold of her and lies with her." Where in the verse does it say the intercourse was forced? The verse even ends with "and they were found". It doesn't say he was caught, THEY were caught. This shows that they were engaging in fornication, not rape. This made them have to get married because the woman was not even previously betrothed.

5) Death to the rape victim (Deut. 22. 23-24): Here it is interesting to note than EB has been citing the NLT, and now switches to the NAB for the remainder of the article. The NLT's verse is even farther away from citing rape, while the NAB is closer, and therefore suits EB's purpose, deliberate misinterpretation, better. The NLT says "suppose a man meets a young woman, a virgin engaged to a man, and has sexual intercourse with her..." Again, no rape. This is fornication, and both are punished for it. They cannot get married like #4 because she is already engaged, so they must be punished, and God has rules set for that. Also, there is a part EB conveniently left out in the very next verse. It says "But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, than only the man must die." Sound like condoning rape to you?

Also, for those who would point out the "but" to mean it meant it in the first part as well, literal translations of the first one say "but she did not cry out", and in the countryside crying out is far less likely to help at all. This shows that the woman was in fact raped, while if she didn't cry out people would know it wasn't rape.

6) David's punishment- Polygamy, rape, baby killing, and God's "forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12. 11-14): To start God is punishing David for polygamy and adultery, so condoning that is out of the question. Deuteronomy 17:15, 17 says: "You shall set a king over you...He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray." Let's try another checklist:

  • Rape: Absent. Lying with the neighbor is his wives committing adultery, no rape.

  • Polygamy: Present. God punished David for it.

  • Baby Killing: Present. God judged David because David had made followers of God look like hypocrites for committing adultery with Bathsheba. Capital punishment, explained here: www.debunkedevil.blogspot.com/2009/10/murder-in-bible.html

  • Forgiveness: Present. The punishment for adultery is death, but God forgave David. Funny thing is, for EB this should be a bad thing.

7) Rape of female captives (Deut 21. 10-14): This was cited earlier in order to show that there wasn't rape, see the process at the end of #1. The process showed that they must be married in order to have sexual relations. None of this was forced, including the marriage. There's not rape, once again EB inserts a very disturbing misinterpretation.

8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5. 30): Again there is rape inserted by EB's author. None actually in the verse. A girl for each man means as a slave, not a sex slave. Furthermore, this was actually a lyrical poem sang by Deborah, not meant to be interpreted literally like has been by EB.

9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21. 7-11): I have already dealt with this in my slavery post: www.debunkedevil.blogspot.com/2009/10/slavery-in-bible.html. A quick refresher, this never says sex anywhere, nor implies it. These were laws handling the treatment of female slaves, nothing more. It even states that a man may marry her to one of his sons. This must occur for any sex; otherwise it would be fornication, which the Bible is patently against. Women were sold into slavery by their families or willingly went in order to pay off debts that they owed, which was more like indentured slavery, a term that didn't exist at the time. Apparently EB sees "woman" and "slave" and immediately thinks "sex slave".

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 12:1-2): Again EB takes a verse out of context, and those who use biblegateway.com or another such site in reference to this (Good idea, by the way), pull up just one more verse after this. It reads: "Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against these nations". Another translation of verse one "Behold, the day of the Lord cometh." This verse has Israel being defeated for turning away from God, and then God will come to redeem them. The rape described here is the disgusting acts of other nations, and God punishes them for it when he redeems Israel. Hardly condoning rape.

Conclusion: Thus ends Evilbible.com's unfounded rant about the Bible condoning rape. It should be known by now that it clearly doesn't, in fact just the opposite. There is a clear difference between it being in the Bible, and the Bible condoning it. Also, massive assumptions aren't acceptable as evidence. It doesn't explicitly say rape in 90% of these verses, that part is inserted. It helps to understand the slavery side of this as well, so check it out. My link was posted in one of the answers above. Thanks!

My friend Mariano also has a thing or two to say about this, in a more detailed way than I: http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2009/04/atheism-bible-rape-evilbiblecom-and-dan.html
and for another perspective:
http://reformedanswers.org/answer.asp/file/99778.qna/category/ot/page/questions/site/
About fornication:
http://www.bible.ca/s-premarital-sex.htm

16 comments:

  1. 6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

    Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
    Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]

    This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick! debunk this you bible toting fanatic

    or this.


    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

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  2. Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, ""women ravished;"" half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

    please look at whats between "" ""

    oh and about the claim that the bible says you offer peace.
    As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

    forced labor..nice huh?

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  3. If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
    (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

    maybe i should come over to your house and have some fun with your wife or daughter and then give you some money and take her to live me. isn't that what the bible wants. oh and i simply can't imagine how much fun the girls life would be, forced to live with a man who violated her, for the rest of her life.

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  4. ... God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
    - James 1:13

    And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt
    Abraham.
    - Genesis 22:1

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  5. I'm here to debunk evilbible.com, but if you care to, email me these "contradictions" and I will promptly debunk them. These are completely out of context, and I'll show you how/why. The fact that I've debunked hundreds found on this website should tell you something about them.

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    1. Your "de-bunking" is a self-fulfilling manifestation that is true in your eyes and mind only. Just because you say-so does not make it so. I feel that you know it is a given the bible condones all forms of human depravity and suffering. That fact is such a burden upon your soul that you must suspend belief to create belief - which is, I might add, the very definition of religion.

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  6. Ah. Thank you so much for writing this.

    That particular Zechariah passage was giving me quite the run around. It didn't make sense to me at all and I was getting very skeptical. You putting it in a fuller context helped a great deal and it just goes to show you how deceitful the antichrists can be.

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  7. Hmm...you are correct. One person quoted det. 22:23-24 as God justifying rape by paying the father 50 shekels of silver. I am reading the bible (it is actually verses 28-29, by the way), and it only states if a man were to lie with her. Nowhere dies it say rape or forcible sex.

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  8. Where's the rape? Ummm...I don't think I see in the verses ANYthing that said these women had a choice of whether to be their wives or not. In case you're unaware, being a wife back then involved sex (much as it does now). And since they were taken against their will, when they are forced to wed, on their wedding night they were raped. Unless, of course, they actually liked the one they were with.

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    1. You are unquivocally correct. The mere fact that men assumed they could forcibly, without consent, take a women to be their wife is "rape". Remember, rape is the forcible application of fornication against the will of a non-consenting victim. Thus the Bible drips with the vile acceptance of rape.

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  9. The Bible condones genocide, murder, incest, animal sacrifice, HUMAN sacrifice, and slavery. If you can't see that then you're very much in denial. Unbelievable that any of you would attempt to make excuses for the evil acts committed in the Bible, all because these people say their god told them to do it.

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  10. The Hebrew culture had a very long courtship process that every single wedded couple had to undertake before marriage. That's a historical fact, so no woman would end up with a man she didn't choose to marry, whether by going through this courtship process or choosing to fornicate and having to marry as a result of it. In none of these situations were women forced without having done anything wrong.

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  11. In Judges 21:10-24, the women were kidnapped and forced to marry. Rape is a logical conclusion.

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  12. Connor R. Do you have a source for this claim?

    I think the fact that many young Jewish girls were given in their pre-teen years in arranged marriages belies the claim that they had a choice.

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  13. The following passage from Judges 21:10-24 reflects the forgery that is the bible: "They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead."

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  14. And in verse 25 of Judges 21 it says "In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in HIS OWN eyes". The Bible did not encourage this behavior.

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